Wednesday, July 8, 2009

When Three Agents Have Lunch

Before I get to the real post, just wanted to mention that Mary DeMuth posted an interview with me yesterday on her blog. She asked some interesting questions! Read it here.


A couple of weeks ago, Kerrie Flanagan of Northern Colorado Writers hosted a lunch for three Denver-area agents: Kristin Nelson (Nelson Literary); Kate Schafer Testerman (KT Literary); and me (me). We met at a downtown Denver restaurant and sat out on the patio watching the world go by, including a panhandler who asked us for money at least five times.

We got to talking about the state of the industry and I have to say, part of me was relieved that I'm not the only one noticing how slow things are lately. Publishers are still acquiring books, but everything seems to be taking longer, and the expectations seem to be higher. It's not uncommon for it to take two or three months to hear back from publishers once we submit—and that's for projects that are pretty darn strong. In addition, some publishers are putting less money into editing their books, so they're looking for a higher level of perfection than they might have expected previously. I'm not happy things are this way, but I'm happy it's not just me!

Our gabbing was interrupted by the waiter taking our order, and the other three rolled their eyes when I ordered a salad. We were at a noodle restaurant, where apparently it's only okay to order noodles. I'm such a renegade.

So then we got into this really convoluted discussion about all the changes to publishing contracts because of the evolving electronic rights situation. (Any normal person would have been totally bored by this.) Electronic rights are really on agents' minds right now, as the publishers are scrambling to get appropriate language into their new author contracts, and we (agents) keep pushing them to make their language more fair to authors. Authors are not being heavily affected by this yet; but some of the contracts being signed today will still be in effect five or ten years from now and the electronic situation will surely be different then. We're trying to anticipate this and get language that protects authors for the long haul. Nice to know that all agents are in the same boat.

Along about then a rogue thunderstorm decided to pass over (not surprising, since this is Colorado). We abandoned our patio table for the très chic lounge inside.

Speaking of Colorado, that was another interesting topic of conversation—the fact that we're all pretty far from the New York City publishing scene. We agreed that it hasn't hampered us a bit in our work. (This is especially true for me since I work with a lot of Christian publishers who aren't in New York anyway.) Technology has made geography practically irrelevant. Even if we live right across the street from a publisher, we're still doing everything by email and phone. Of course, face-time is important, so we travel and meet with editors in person regularly. But in general, I think it's so cool that technology has made it possible to do business equally successfully with people all over the country.

You're probably wondering if we ever got to gossiping about clients or bad queries or the challenges of being an agent. Well, to tell you the truth... no! We love our jobs and while there are challenges just like in any business, none of us are the complaining type. We had a blast talking about the industry and we could've gabbed all afternoon, but alas, we all had actual work to do. And blogs to write.

Back to the grind!

31 comments:

Krista Phillips said...

Sounds like a fun lunch! Thanks for letting us eavesdrop:-) We had a guy interrupt our writer's group meeting the other week asking for money, and we were in Panera Bread. It was awkward, lol!

Anne L.B. said...

Rachelle,

Way cool post. I feel almost as if I'd shared a salad (maybe a latte) with you under those intense and ever-changing Colorado skies (Mt. Evans looming in the distance), and shared a discussion about writing stuff that no one else would understand or care about.

Anne

Jessica said...

What a cool insight! :-) Glad you had fun!

Marybeth Poppins said...

Send some of those thunderstorms my way. I love them! Thanks for giving us a look into an agents lunch :)

Katie Ganshert said...

Thanks for sharing your lunch conversation! I love these sneak peeks you give us into your world. :)

Jenna said...

I totally agree with Katie: thanks for sharing! I love hearing about the mysterious world of agent-type-stuff. :D It really helps me figure out what the heck is going on.

Jennifer said...

I quietly slip into this place daily, Rachelle, though I rarely comment. I lurk, soaking up the daily advice that you continue to churn out here. :-)

Today, I'm also soaking up the image of All Things Colorado -- even the goofy weather. We're headed by van from northwest Iowa to Breckenridge on Saturday. Yay!

Blessings to you ...

Sharon A. Lavy said...

Thanks for sharing. I can feel the excitement you had at the lunch.

Hmm, I would rather have said the excitement you shared at the lunch, but I had Thanks for sharing. If I could take the first sentence away I could use the word shared in the second sentence.

What to do, what to do. =)

Lisa Jordan said...

Haha...love how you said any normal person would be bored by now. I think that's how it is with our professions--our topics of interest may bore others. I know when I have coffee with my early childhood colleagues, other peoples' eyes may glaze over with our talk about early learning standards, state regs, etc.

Thanks for giving us another peek in the glamorous life of a literary agent. :-)

Chatty Kelly said...

I have to admit my favorite line was "and me (me)." That is so my kind of humor.

It was nice to be a fly on the wall...or in the air...at your luncheon and learn the scoop.

**off topic** Congrats on your new client, Billy Coffey. However, I'm green with envy. In a nice Christian way.

SM Blooding said...

Jennifer, you're going to love it. The weather has been gorgeous lately! Like...just freakin' wonderful!

Lisa, I agree with the boring others with our professions bit. LOL!! The friends I have that I can talk to about writing, are bored to tears by my discussions on construction. Those with me at work look at me like I'm nuts when I'm talking about crochet or writing. So...it's a good thing there are lots of people out there. :)

Oh! And, Rachelle, thanks for sharing! LOL!!

Cindy said...

Rachelle,

That interview was interesting. I like the song titles you picked. It makes me feel good as a writer that there are agents out there who love what they do. A writer paired with an agent who both have a passion for the same thing is an amazing combination.

Thanks for sharing your lunch conversation. Being kind of far away from the New York publishing scene isn't bad at all if you get to do it in Colorado.

Teri D. Smith said...

It's awesome when you love your work! So glad for you.

I love mine too: writing!

Yat-Yee said...

Thanks for giving us a glimpse into what happens when agents get together. I wished I'd known sooner, so I would have driven down to Denver and maybe sit at the next table!

Arabella said...

Yes, you get the thunderstorms first, then send them down to us in New Mexico!

I've been pondering the slow economy and the writing market, because it's only now that I feel ready to publish. During the Depression, publishing didn't stop, but people were more inclined to buy dime-store novels--cheap, easy-to-read paperbacks.

During this economic slowdown, I'm still buying books--paperbacks only! Of course, I only buy the ones I'm seriously addicted to, like the 44 Scotland St. books.

What about the rest of you? Are you still buying books?

Marty Coleman said...

I like the concern you showed for authors with your comments about figuring out the electronic rights issues. It's nice to know you are thinking it through on our behalf.

D.I. Telbat said...

I read your interview with Mary. Especially appreciate your testimony and song choices. Thanks for sharing!

Rebecca Knight said...

Such a great post! :)

Thank you so much for sticking up for authors in this changing climate. We really appreciate the forethought and care you agents take in securing electronic rights and everything else.

You rock!

Gwen Stewart--Singer-Scribe said...

Rachelle, I love this post, but wonder this: if we were passing by, would we have known you were literary agents?

My profession of teaching has key indicators. For one, denim. Teachers wear a LOT of denim, mostly skirts. :) Secondly, canvas totes. They usually say "WE HEART MRS. SMITH" in the center, surrounded by twenty-five tiny, fabric-painted handprints.

So, would we have known you by your Kindles? Your cool reading glasses? Your je ne sais quoi? (Heehee)

Have a great day and keep up the great summer blogging...I'm really enjoying it and learning a lot, as usual!

A J Hawke said...

We as writers have to deal with the reality of the publishing world or stop writing. You have given us a glimpse of the reality from the agents side. I cannot totally imagine what it is like to know you have a strong manuscript to present, but because of a slow economy can't even get it through the door.

Thanks for being willing to be caught in-between the hungry authors and the trying-to-survive publishers.

A J

Rachelle said...

Gwen, if you just happened by our table without listening, you'd think we were just four cool chicks in summer dresses and sandals. Listen for a moment, though, and you might not know we were agents, but you'd definitely know we love books & publishing!

By the way, I forgot to take a picture of us. Next time I will!

Billy Coffey said...

I think it's great that a few agent friends can get together over lunch and discuss the state of things. I guess I've always had a vague, every-man-for-himself notion about the publishing world. I'm sure that's true to some extent in every industry, but it's nice to know there are plenty of scenes like this, too.

Kristen Torres-Toro said...

Community is so much fun! It is so great to hang out with others who share the same passions that we do and understand what we are going through. Thanks for letting us listen in, Rachelle!

Christina G. said...

I lived in Colorado for a summer a few years ago and this post totally took me back there. The thunderstorm, the noodle shop... thanks for the post!

Emily said...

Thanks so much for this post. I've been doing some research on the industry for a while now, not only for my own personal (hopeful) novel-writing career but also because I want to get in on your side of the desk :). Every website, book, and magazine article I can find on the subject has one tip in common: move to New York. I just wouldn't be able to do it. Your little paragraph about it not hurting you to live in Colorado just made my day. It really IS a small world! Thanks again!

Kathleen MacIver said...

You know, Rachelle...I think being away from the NY scene HELPS the three of you. Why? Because you are much, MUCH more aware of how technological and digital advances are and will change the face of publishing. I can't help thinking about those NY-based agents who have been dealing with paper manuscripts and edits and queries and meetings over lunch for many years. There's nothing wrong with those, by any means. BUT...are they as aware of how digital might affect these contracts in ten years as you three are? I can't help thinking that some are not. Sure, they're doing their best. But I know for a fact that my friends and family who aren't daily immersed in the Internet and digital versions of things don't have the same perspective on them as I do.

So actually... I think I'd prefer to land an agent who's not in NY. At least, I certainly won't sign with one (if I'm offered a contract) that can't prove to me that he/she is up on today's technology. The viewpoint that being involved gives you is just too valuable.

Rachelle said...

Kathleen, thanks for your perspective! However, I don't want to disparage my colleagues in NYC, who are very well aware of electronic/digital issues. Don't forget, like I mentioned in the post, even if they are across the street or in the same building as a publisher, all agents are still doing the bulk of their work through phone and email. The days of doing tons of business over lunch are over. So everyone's up on technology - we have to be!

Jenni Saake (a.k.a. InfertilityMom) said...

I've never thought I was "normal" but I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall with your electric rates conversation. I was recently contacted by my publisher asking to reword that portion of my contract that was originally written nearly 6 years ago. I don't yet understand the big picture well enough to fully see the concerns from their perspective and/or what my resposnse should be from this end. I want to keep a good working relationship with my publisher (they have first rights of refusal on my next project and I have an open invitation to submit a proposal when I'm ready to run with my next manuscript), but I also don't want to just give up stated contract agreements trying to be the "nice girl". Any advice on who I shoud talk to before moving forward from here?

Roxane B. Salonen said...

I just got back from lunch with three fellow mom friends. It's always a blessing to be in the company of those who are at a similar place in their journey. We, too, had to make a hasty exit to get back to work! :) Anyway, keep enjoying all those small miracles.

Kathleen MacIver said...

I'm afraid that comment didn't come across, quite like I meant.

I'm sure that all agents ARE doing their best to stay up on technology. I didn't mean some weren't. I simply meant that those who are actually USING it on a daily basis are likely to have a slightly more advanced perspective than those who don't. I've noticed that agents who aren't NY based blog on it more often (and show more know-how) than their NY counterparts...but maybe I'm missing some great blogs out there.

But I'm glad that you feel all agents are aware they have to stay up on this!

Amber Argyle-Smith said...

I've met Kate. She's loads of fun.